Does Electronic Voting Equate To Voter Fraud?

By  | January 26, 2013 | 8 Comments | Filed under: Keeping track of Cambridge Council 2010-2014

In an email recently received, the following statements were disseminated,which makes the accompanying recent newspaper article discomforting.

“One of the principles of our electoral systems is anonymity. Another principle is “One person, one ballot”, or singular voting. Both objectives are reasonably easy to do with paper ballots – hand out one ballot to a voter, then cross that voter’s name off the list. The vote cast is both anonymous and singular.
But when people are allowed to vote anonymously on their home computer there’s no way to determine if they’re voting more than once. So to prevent multiple votes you’d have to track voters with a unique ID; but that can then be correlated with the vote cast, destroying anonymity.
Fundamentally, anonymous and singular voting is not achievable throughcomputerized at-home voting. In a report “Technology and the Voting Process” the conclusion of Elections Canada was that the integrity of electoral process is a cornerstone of our democracy, and a decision to move to electronic voting should not be made lightly, without much more study[1]. “Much more study” has not been done by our municipal government.

[1] pp. 58-60, “Technology and the Voting Process”, KPMG and Sussex
Circle for Elections Canada, 1998.
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/tech/tec&document=index&lang=e

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City looking at e-voting in time for 2014 municipal elections
Published on January 16th, 2013

By James Jackson, Chronicle staff

http://www.waterloochronicle.ca/news/city-looking-at-e-voting-in-time-for-2014-municipal-elections/

 

The City of Waterloo is going to investigate the possibility of using
Internet and telephone voting in time for the 2014 municipal election.

Council approved a request for proposals on Monday night, a joint request
with the cities of Cambridge and Kitchener.

Tim Jackson of the Barnraiser council urged councillors to embrace the
technology, citing Markham (the first city to introduce electronic voting
in 2003) and more than 40 other municipalities that have used the
technology since.

“As the most intelligent community in the world it’s almost a given that we
should be embracing the concept of electronic voting,” Jackson said.

Not every councillor was convinced, however. Coun. Angela Vieth raised
concerns about voter fraud and hacking, as did Coun. Jeff Henry.

“I don’t want to suggest there has been no issues, and if we were the first
I could understand that (concern),” Jackson said, whose council was given a
seat on the review committee by city councillors Monday as well.

“If anyone has the internal capabilities (to prevent fraud), I’ve got to
believe we can.”

Jackson compared the concerns of Internet voting to the early worries of
entering credit card information online — now a common practice.

Henry, who grew up in Markham and participated in electronic voting at the
University of Waterloo, voted against the proposal.

“My skepticism comes with that knowledge,” he said. “(The University of
Waterloo) hasn’t necessarily gotten it figured out.”

Coun. Scott Witmer also voted against the idea, countering Jackson’s
statement about credit cards by saying with credit card fraud you know a
crime has been committed as soon as you look at your balance.

Voter fraud, however, would be much more difficult to prove.

Electronic voting wouldn’t be any cheaper, city clerk Susan Greatrix
indicated. Instead, it will likely add to the costs of the electoral
process. “It would be much more expensive than traditional voting,” she
said, noting Cambridge was leaning towards to idea of Internet voting,
while Kitchener was leaning away from it.

The City of Kitchener rejected the idea in December, saying it would double
election costs, while Cambridge voted in favour of it in October.

Coun. Scian liked the idea of bringing the ballot box to the voter, saying
it was a “logical path forward into the future.”

She said many of the most active Internet users are right here in Waterloo,
and cited the results of last year’s municipal vote in Halifax, which saw
more than half of all votes submitted online or through the phone.

No decisions were made about voting methods in 2014, but one is expected
later this year.

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8 Responses to Does Electronic Voting Equate To Voter Fraud?

  1. bemcdowell@sympatico.ca'
    Bev McDowell January 29, 2013 at 6:14 am

    Good question Jan, in my opinion, if the paper ballot boxes and pencils are good enough (hacking and fraud proof) for our Federal and Provincial election, why are so many municipalities trying to change rules and bylaws on how we vote?????

    It is also my opinion that municipalities should not be in charge of the voting process. Why are the employers of the ones that run the election in charge of making up new rules when there was nothing wrong with the way we voted in the first place? ( paper ballot boxes)

    Maybe what is needed is a city wide petition for our election to be held by the same process as the Federal and Provincial elections are held.

  2. lvann_11@sympatico.ca'
    Thomas Vann January 29, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    The putting of more than 50 locations out for a 130,000 plus city would be a start Bev but while foxes run henhouses why bother. Just make it look like you care and follow the bare ass min. to C.Y.A. l hope l’m at the pearly gates with this person. l love hearing some still say nothing wrong happened. Ha, ha, ha, l’m going back to listening to QUEEN one of my favorite bands so as to bury this burden. Smooch.

  3. douglamb6@hotmail.com'
    Doug Lamb April 12, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Just research into what is happening and what has happened in the united states. One example is florida. Still an ongoing mess. Do your research. Do not trust what politicians say. Also ask what company is going to provide machines and do counting. Research the problems encountered in the united states. They have also had problems with touchscreen. Do your research.

    • Debbie Duff Vitez April 12, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      Hi Doug
      All you have to do is look at the 2010 Election here in Cambridge.
      They’re making changes now as to how you vote, hoping no one will notice..
      Same as 2010.. changing locations giving wrong directions etc
      Nothing will change here until the residents of Cambridge demand change.

  4. douglamb6@hotmail.com'
    Doug Lamb April 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Then lets go back to three municipalities.

  5. lvann_11@sympatico.ca'
    Thomas Vann April 15, 2013 at 7:22 am

    Doug, it matters little. With councils, mayors, judges, MP’s, MPP’s, cops, unions, lawyers and on and on in the back pockets of the corrupt running this country change will never happen or stay clean for long. Nice to hope but it’s far too deep. Just look around.

  6. douglamb6@hotmail.com'
    Doug Lamb April 15, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Thats the problem. I have been looking around and change is needed. A new playbook to control city council. Put power back in hands of citizens. How do i run for mayor of hespeler. How many signatures do i need.

  7. lvann_11@sympatico.ca'
    Thomas Vann April 17, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Doug. Your gonna have to learn how to fix a vote machine 1st. I was so far ahead of Price in 2010 till they shut down voting locations where I grew up and stuffed everyone into a dead end street with no parking then said they really tried to help voters. Ha,ha. I loved it when the knee benders said nothing was done wrong. So if I were you don’t run. Ever one on council will be back even if no one votes. I bet the confession booths were full after 2010. How many people are in jail over the Robocalls? How much time did Brian Bullrooney and Jean Crookchein do for robbing the taxpayers? This should tell ya Doug.

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